Waiting for Jennings...15 years and counting


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 05:53:41 AM EST

TU Editorial today on gun violence and the Mayor and the Chief.
The details: "The question is, do the people engaged in this activity recognize what they are doing?"

So says James Miller, the police spokesman.

Fair point. But there's this question, too: Do the people empowered to stop this activity have a real plan to do so?

Where did the gun -- guns, actually -- in the ambush of Tashawn Tarver come from?

The gun that was used to kill Kathina Thomas, remember, apparently was regarded as communal property.

The implications: Why won't Mr. Jennings and Mr. Tuffey acknowledge the circumstances in which so much of this gun violence takes place?

Don't young males, armed and on bicycles, constitute gang activity?

City leaders, though, are much too hesitant to even utter the G-word. Their intent is to not glorify gangs. The consequences, though, suggest to the public that theirs is a city in denial.

What's next? Statistics showing how many illegal guns there are in Albany raise this question: Is the proliferation of guns that out of control? Or are the police just doing a better job of seizing them? Or, perhaps both?

Mr. Miller says the data from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives show that Mr. Tuffey's determination to get as many guns off the streets as possible is working. The problem is that there are too many guns out there in the first place. On a per person basis, Albany has more guns than New York City.

We're still waiting for Mr. Jennings to go over the ATF data and offer his own assessment of it.

Again we say: Albany will either be a city with a gun problem that's very much under control, or it won't be much of a city at all. All eyes on you, Mr. Jennings and Mr. Tuffey.
My prediction: Jennings and Tuffey quit and leave the problem to someone else. When Jennings was elected he made some bold statements about how he was going to fix the vacant building problem in the city. That was 1994. There were around 400 vacant buildings at the time. We waited. And waited. And waited. Now there are 1,000 vacant buildings. I don't recommend waiting for Jennings to change. I recommend changing the adminstration. Fool me once...And last year Jennings told us all he put together a responsible budget for the city. Now he is talking about a crisis. Fool me twice....

Time to stop waiting and start working.

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Gun Violence (none / 0) (#1)
by alfrednewman on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 06:55:25 AM EST
Today's "Maintaining" comic strip (June 22) shows the truth of the matter.

http://www.gocomics.com/maintaining/index.phtml

A gun is nothing more than a tool. If a gun is not available then these depraved individuals will use a knife. If a knife isnt available they will use a brick.  If a brick isnt available then bows and arrows or blow darts.

A gun is a tool. Nothing more-nothing less.

"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

Yeah but (none / 0) (#3)
by UpstateNYYankee on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 09:43:13 PM EST
You don't see too many headlines saying same died on the streets last night due to being hit with a pea shooter. Guns can do a lot more violence to innocent people than knives. With knives, you have to be up close and personal.

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Yankee (none / 0) (#4)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 05:07:13 AM EST
I am willing to bet there are just about as many stabbings as shootings. Regardless, a gun is nothing but a tool and people like to focus on them because it allows them to ignore the real cause and that is the acceptance of bad behavior.

Poverty is a cause but it also an excuse. Poverty is also a structural part of the post war economy.  How many white middle class people are employed managing poverty?

How many people are employed because the poor folks in Arbor Hill are encouraged to wreck their lives through dependency and the lack of responsibility for their conduct?
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Shootings far more common than stabbings (none / 0) (#6)
by Tom Paine on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 06:16:04 AM EST
You are pulling facts out of your butt, Al.

If we use murder as a proxy (a pretty good one I think) for "shootings and stabbings", then according to the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting System, there are not "just as many stabbings as shootings". Its not even close.

Number of murders in the US 1976-2005: 594,272

Number of murders with handguns: 292,688 (49%)
Number of murders with other types of guns: 88,553 (15%)

Knife murders: 98,550 (17%)
Blunt Object murders: 29,917 (5%)
Other weapons: 84,564 (14%)

I've rounded but the point is, guns are by far the most common weapon used in murders.

Next time you want to lecture about responsibility, please remember there is a responsibility to get the facts right. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.  

[ Parent ]

By the way (none / 0) (#7)
by Tom Paine on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 06:23:24 AM EST
On thing that probably skews these data is that stabbings are less deadly than shootings, so stabbings are slightly less likely to be reported to the police because the victim is less likely to seek medical attention. But that simply helps prove the main point about the ease-of-use and deadliness of guns and the lack of a real substitute weapon. In other words, it is simply demonstrably untrue that people are just as likely to kill with a weapon other than a gun.

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Let's face it... (none / 0) (#2)
by mailer daemon on Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 12:19:09 PM EST
This is about money.  

According to a 2007 TU article:

In Albany's West Hill, impoverishment rose from 21 percent 31 percent from
1980 to 2000, census data show. One South End tract jumped to 45 percent
poverty during that time.

same article:

Urban poor, meanwhile, have limited human capital, said Anderson, whose
book, "Code of the Street: Decency, Violence, and the Moral Life of the
Inner City," examines concentrated and racial urban poverty.

"They don't have the education, the skills and they're suffering from social
isolation. Many of them are black, Hispanic and poor white, too. And they're
effectively competing with (lower-paid) people living in China or India or
Latin America, or right here in this country as illegal aliens, who help
depress the wages."

The result? "They're frustrated. They can't make a living. So the drug trade
is rampant," he said. As is gun violence.

The bottom line is that albany is getting poorer and poorer.  those who can move out do, and those who can't afford to are stuck in neighborhoods filled with the disenfranchised poor who turn to guns, gangs and violence because, frankly, what other choice do they have?

In order to clean up the streets, we need to look at programs that allow those, such as poor Katina's mother, to own their own homes through projects such as Nos Quidomos, which allows those who want to own their own home to do so under the right conditions. this program, located in teh Bronx has been very successful. (they must take classes on finances, establish credit, etc)  and after the requirements are met, they are given a low interest mortgage...from what I understand, they have a HUGE success rate and no forclosures.

http://www.volunteermatch.org/search/org18845.jsp

If they do not feel like part of the community, how can they succeed?  

The County and the city have responsibilities to the residents in these impovershed neighborhoods.  DSS is under staffed, and the TU would be smart to look at the number of Socaial Service programs that have been cut over the last 10-12 years.

recently it was reported that Albany County will loose almost one million dollars for pre school program dollars from the state because they did not spend all of it. (Albany County and 41 other counties are losing money) this money will be reallocated. I wonder why it was not spent?

so the inner city 18 year old mother who wants to apply for Social Service dollars for, lets say, a learning disability, will have a harder time getting aid...  this puts this family at a disadvantage from the start....

it will be interesting how the 2010 census data figures will show.  More and more will be moving out of albany, watervliet, Cohoes to the suburbs...As a result they will get less sales tax revenue.  Albany will have less money to spend in their coffers.

Another kick in the face of the poor, who concentrate in the cities, who will have less and less....

Not so (none / 0) (#9)
by Tom Paine on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 06:28:50 AM EST
If it was all about money, then most poor folks would be criminals and most rich folks would be law-abiding paragons of virtue. We know neither of those things are true.

Poverty is a gigantic contributing factor but the fact remains that the vast majority of low-income people are not a threat to anyone and are not criminals.

As for rich folks, well, look at Dick Cheney.

[ Parent ]

So. (none / 0) (#17)
by AlfredMoisiu on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 03:48:39 PM EST
Not all poor people are criminals, but most criminals are poor.

Most of the scumbags killing each other on the street grew up in a vacuum with missing or incompetent parents, no education, no hope. Born to hopeless mothers who are probably functionally illiterate, they were condemned at birth.

Back in the day, instead of allowing them to terrorize their neighbors, these folks were run of town and ended up in the gutter or working in some mill. Now we let them run loose in the schools and essentially allow them to run the place to avoid bad PR.

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Mail (none / 0) (#5)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 05:40:46 AM EST
With respect I feel it necessary to point out that..." the inner city 18 year old mother..." has placed herself and her child in a position of disadvantage from the start.  
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
Paine (none / 0) (#8)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 06:27:51 AM EST
Can you please tell me where I used the word "MURDER" in my reply?

I didnt. So stop pulling figures out of your ass to refute points I didn't make.

Too bad that math question that we now have to answer to post didn't involve multiplication....
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Would you have figured that out by yourself? (none / 0) (#11)
by Tom Paine on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 06:42:36 AM EST
OK, if you can produce FBI or other reliable police stats on non-deadly shootings and stabbings, post them here to back up your ridiculous argument. If the total number of deadly and nondeadly stabbings is equal to the total number of deadly and nondeadly shootings, you will be right and I will be wrong.

I don't expect you to actually do this but go ahead, suprise me.

According to you, a gun is "just a tool" and people will be just as violent even if there were no guns, right? If they can't find a gun they will use a brick or whatever they can find.

So if your thesis is correct, if all guns were to magically dissappear, the murder and other violent crime rates would be unaffected. If I am correct, if guns magically dissappeared, murder and other violent crimes would drop substantially - almost by their current percentage.

Let's see, is there any way we can conduct that experiment?

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Once again Paine (none / 0) (#10)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 06:33:11 AM EST
did I say anything about the likelyhood "to kill with a weapon."  No, I didn't.  

Good God. You have ADD don't you?
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

Ah, my mistake (none / 0) (#13)
by Tom Paine on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 08:23:17 AM EST
I didn't realize you were only talking about non-deadly force. OK, my challenge stands. Produce police statistics on nondeadly shootings and stabbings. Let's see what they show.

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You're right Al, a gun is a tool... (none / 0) (#12)
by Jim Travers on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 07:38:10 AM EST
and it's only purpose is to kill.

Really, If you're going to jump on board with the likes of Tom King, who makes the same argument, why focus on the gun at all, when we all know it's the bullet that bares the blame?

Maybe you'd be so kind as to point out to us the last time a kid two blocks away from the assailant was killed by a knife or when the last time was that you heard about a knife going through someone's window and lodged in their wall?

By the way, Al, are you even remotely familiar with Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs?

Unmet needs always bring about undesired behaviors, whether in teens or adults. Some of us are better equipped to deal with having our needs go unmet than are others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

Jim- (none / 0) (#14)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 10:01:18 AM EST
With respect Jim:

The only Thomas King I know is a roofing contractor in Lynn, Mass. I am equally unimpressed with people who produce studies which explain why we as a society should tolerant unacceptable nonsense.  

Does Maslow explain why kids kill each other for their sneakers, jackets and iPods?  Can there really be any reason?

Every time people reference studies to show why our society should understand this crap I am reminded that the universities in the former Soviet Union used to teach graduate and doctorate level courses that proved the validity of their command economy.  I am sure that they produced all sorts of reports and studies that proved to be self serving and ultimately full of false assumptions.

In the past 50 years our society has gone to hell. Our values are corrupt and we find excuses for behavior that is simply inexcusable.

Time for a Paradigm shift.

So- the only purpose of a gun "is to kill." Really?  I thought to have a purpose was to have intent. And inanimate objects do not have intent Jim.  Someone has to start the process because it is nothing more than a collection of metal parts that produce a chemical reaction.

Or are you trying to say that only function of the gun is to kill?  If that is the case then how do you explain all of the people out there who shoot competition?  You do realize that not everyone who owns a gun is planning on shooting their neighbors, right?  

As for your request that I show you where a car went two blocks and all that, I cant do it.  I can however show you where 4 accidents injured 22 people.  Can you show me where someone with a gun and talking on a cell phone accidentally shot people or where people with guns accidentally shot 22 people?  

Toddler Critical After Brooklyn Hit-And-Run
1. Fourth Car Crashes Into Pedestrians In 2 Days, 22 Victims Recovering
NEW YORK (CBS) ¯ A car plowed into pedestrians on a sidewalk for the fourth time in two days, hurting four people and raising the toll to nearly two dozen victims from the strange spate of wrecks.

Saturday's accident in Brooklyn's Flatbush neighborhood--which injured two toddlers--came a day after cars veered onto sidewalks at three separate locations in Manhattan, hitting 18 people. Three were hospitalized in serious condition; 11 others were treated for less serious injuries.

Witnesses to Saturday's accident said the car crashed into two children at play on the sidewalk, where they lay bleeding after being hit.

A 2-year-old boy was hospitalized in critical condition, and a girl, also 2, in stable condition, police said. Two young women, 16 and 19, were in stable condition, according to police.

Authorities did not say whether the women and children were related.

Police said the 16-year-old driver ran from the scene on East 19th Street, but officers caught up with him.

"He ran for his life, and the hell with everybody else's life--he just cared about his own," witness Serena Hawkes said.

The teen, Akeem Grant, was arrested on charges that include reckless endangerment, reckless driving and leaving the scene of an accident. No telephone number could be found for him, and police weren't certain whether he had a lawyer.

Officers also led away another man, apparently a relative of some of the victims, after he scuffled with onlookers at the scene. Police were unsure whether he would be charged.

More than a dozen pedestrians were injured Friday after being hit by cars in three separate incidents.

Unlicensed driver Estabannie Sanchez was led away in handcuffs Friday after being behind the wheel of an SUV which jumped the curb on Seventh Avenue in Manhattan.

"We basically heard a noise behind us and turned around and the jeep was already on the pavement, on the sidewalk, all wheels," said witness Ian Cairns.

The out-of-control explorer plowed into 10 pedestrians on the sidewalk in front of the music store the driver attempted to get to.

"There was a lady under the front, a guy on the side, two underneath the back wheel," another witness said.

Also pinned under the vehicle was a little boy, helped by people like Eliete Alvarez, who hurt his neck when the vehicle sent him into a truck.
"We lifted the car, got the boy out. The boy was with his mother. The boy was fine," Alvarez said.

Tourist Christine Cairns managed to escape without injury, but she was grazed by the Explorer. "It caught my leg. It wedged my leg against the glass door, which was open, and I managed to edge it on or I would have been down, down under the jeep," she said.

A short time earlier, in Harlem another driver, in a livery cab, lost control and hit a 55-year-old woman then crashed into a Washington Mutual bank.

The woman was taken in critical condition to the hospital, and the driver was given a ticket for driving while on a cell phone.

And on the East Side a 60-year-old man stepped on the gas instead of the brake while exiting a parking spot and struck seven people, two of whom were in serious condition at the hospital Saturday
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

The Devil Wears PRADA (none / 0) (#24)
by A Muse on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:13:06 AM EST
Al, leave Maslow out of this.  The reason kids kill for a pair of sneakers or an I-Pod is as simple as the advertising companies product ad's.  Step back in time before television and instant messaging to the 1940,s or to WWI or we could go back to the telegraph and even drums.  I first started to notice the destruction of our intelligence when ATT came out with the I-Plan.  All advertising became focused on instant gratification and is today.  It is what drives the credit industry, the banks, and our economy.  It is also what has driven us into the beginning of a long drawn out depression.  At this moment Citibank has hit a new 52 week low, as the Dow is down more that 250 points and the NASD down almost 70.  Citibank has relinquished its top spot in the world.  It evaporated with the theft of America.  Have it Your Way, No Money Down and other grabbing phrases to appeal to the id in all of us.   We are given our own money in the way of a refund check and told to go out and buy some product from China with it.  The product then ends up in the landfill and we pay for it again.  The government does not encourage savings or only buying what you can afford.  As we are barraged on television, radio, faxes computer emails, and cell phones every ad tells us to buy now, we deserve it.  If you think things are bad now, see what this brings us in another 10 years.  I can recall opening a savings account with change when I was old enough to walk.  I saved every week to buy my first fishing reel.  Every day I would count the change that I placed on my Dad's dresser, till I had enough to buy it.  I was also so careful with it as it was "my money" that paid for it.  I knew the value of every cent that earned by hard work.

Just like graffiti is not a problem, and only a symptom, theft from others, and selling drugs are only a symptom of a much greater communal problem.   Zoom, Zoom, Zoom we see the car exceeding the speed limit flying as fast as it will go.  What else do we know about the car?  Nothing.  Political advertising makes or breaks a politician.  

Kids steal sneakers because they want to fit in, want to be cool, have poor self-esteem, and it is the advertisers that entice our children and as parents we allow it.   We fail to educate our children not to be sucked in.  Yes the Devil wears PRADA.  

We get our news in sound bites and the advertisers know this.  It is one of the most powerful lobby's in the country.  You could cut off the head but it will just grow another.  Children need to be educated about the Devil.


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Discontented Residents (none / 0) (#15)
by A Muse on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 02:19:07 PM EST
The problem is not Jennings and Tuffey.  Those who live and work in Albany are the problem.  The problem is DIA and all the back seat drivers like me.  The problem is the Democratic and Republican Parties.  Regardless of what anyone else or I say, we do not have the ear of those making the decisions or the ability to make the decisions necessary to make the changes required.    When 10 year old Kathina Thomas was shot and the first news reports came out that she was shot by a stray bullet and by an unknown person, told my wife that it was another kid that shot her and how could anyone know that it was a stray bullet unless they saw it or knew someone that saw it.  This youngster is a product of Albany NY.  We all are responsible.  We must accept responsibility.  The problem is not guns, although the laws may need some revision.  All guns must be registered and all persons registering a gun must show proficiency with the weapon.  That would eliminate the VP defense and stray bullet defense.  I was proficient with a rifle at age 8.  With due respect to Jim Travers, my son dated an Olympian who used a gun not to kill but in the trials with her x-country skiing.  

The Albany and State police can provide a valuable program where anyone can take a proficiency course and learn how to use a weapon.  A program like this could be run all year long and a benefit in:

1.    Developing a good relationship including developing trust between the Police and children and parents in the community.
2.    The communication may alert Police to pending problems before they occur.
3.    Identify children with potential problems that could be referred to appropriate agencies for help.
4.    Identify parents with potential problems.
5.    Children learning to take responsibility for their actions - all actions.

The Summer Job's program needs to be scrapped and is a "total" waste of taxpayer dollars the way it is run.  A revision of this program could also go a long way to curb the violence in the various communities.  The summer Jobs Program should follow the lines of the Youth Work Experience Program.  In addition children with problems or who have families with problems could be referred to appropriate agencies for assistance.  

The Schools are a serious problem and the leadership needs to change.  There will always be problem kids.  Teachers need the tools to help them learn and students need to learn to RESPECT their elders.  I can recall being a student and having a fellow classmate throw a teacher up against the blackboard.  This was not Albany and not a major city.  Teachers need the authority and training how to handle difficult students.  No one knows what happened to this kid before he came to school.  His father may have beaten him to within an inch of his life before sending him off to school.

All employees of the City and county of Albany including all City employees and including teachers and administrators, police, fire and must live within the City of Albany.  Contractors living within the City will be given preferential treatment on bids for certain City work.  

Albanians need to know it will take 8-10 years to get Albany up to speed.  Everyone's life and where they live will improve dramatically.  All you employees living somewhere else buy one of the hundreds of buildings that the City needs to give away for $1.00 as long as you live in it for 5 years and pay all the current taxes on it.  All back taxes forgiven.  By that time the City will be turned around enough for you to sell it at a profit as the rest of the country languishes in a recession or depression.

Additionally, the City needs to crack down on the existing fraud and waste in the Building and Codes Department, Fire Department, Police Department and Office of General Services.  This would save the taxpayers thousands of Dollars.  None of this is unknown to the Mayor.

Politicians hope to form a symbiotic relationship with their constituents.  When it becomes parasitic therein is the problem.  This is the state of the City of Albany "Brought to you by Mayor Jennings".  Every concert to tag sale on every street is "Brought to you by Mayor Jennings".  This is the biggest fraud of all.  Jennings did not bring you these events.  How much did Mr. and Mrs. Jennings contribute to these events that he purports to sponsor.  Someone tell me, how much did the Mayor give.  I want an accounting!  Like Jackie Mason said about Nixon, "I like a crook who knows his business".  So Mr. Jennings, How much did you personally contribute to the Tulip Festival, of the Thursday concert series, etc.  If you gave money - cash out of your pocket take credit quietly.  Since you have not done this you should pay the City of Albany for the advertising costs.  

In the end there must be a dynamic person who can pull together diverse groups and is willing to relinquish some POWER to the Common Council and others to make Albany a wonderful place to live and visit.


Who (none / 0) (#18)
by TheBlogfather on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 05:18:53 PM EST
Would those diverse groups be?

[ Parent ]
To The Blog Father (none / 0) (#20)
by A Muse on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 06:41:45 PM EST
I am responding to your question as to who those diverse groups it would be necessary to pull together.  The task is a daunting one.   In the end you want a workable voting board created of no more than 15 people.  Initially when the subject is hot and people are dieing, is the best opportunity to initiate the organization.  

Initially you want to gather as many people together that have direct contact with youth in Albany.  This is not the Mayor, Superintendent of Schools, Chief of Police, however, their absence would be telling of their support.  Remember Jennings statement about not wanting outsiders coming into his town and telling him what was needed.  He also does not want insiders telling him what to do.  This is why children are shot stabbed and raped in the City.  The administration refuses to listen to outsiders or anyone, even those standing immediately next to the Mayor.  The Mayor is not doing this to be mean.  He just doesn't know any better.  

The people you would gather together are Church and Synagogue youth coordinators, YMCA, JCC, City Youth Work Program, dug and alcohol Rehab program counselors, Boy and Girl Scout leaders, school guidance counselors, and other individuals that work with young people on a daily basis.  Parents are key to success, however, the parents that should be involved will not be there and there and other ways to resolve that problem.    Others that maybe should be invited and quietly listen are members of the Common Counsel, the Chief of Police and the Mayor.  It is very clear that the Mayor Common, Counsel Members, and Chief of Police are doing their best to reduce Crime In Albany, however, they can not do the job alone because Crime Is Not The Problem.  It is just one of many symptoms.  Another symptom is the graduation and placement rate from Albany High School.

As the economy continues to drive down and this will continue for a period of years before stabilization, crime will rise, be reported differently, and the rift between those without will become wider.  As cities make cutbacks children's programs and the arts are the first to go along with police visibility in neighborhoods like Arbor Hill will be cut.  Cities do file for bankruptcy and it is probable that we may see more do so.  

Trying to give the residents of the Capital of the State of New York the tools to allow them to make changes in their lives to better that of their children and grandchildren would be like climbing Everest.  The choice is worse.  Sitting on a sinking boat those with the money leave and survive.  Those left are "shot by a stray bullet".  Only the police could think that up.

I hope I have answered your question.


[ Parent ]

Miller as an Actor (none / 0) (#16)
by A Muse on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 02:31:42 PM EST
Jimmy Miller is an articulate spokesman with a good face for the Albany Police.  He does his homework, is well prepared and versed on the subject.  He could be lieing thru his teeth and I could not tell.  He is just that good.    

The most corrupt (none / 0) (#19)
by jackknight on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 08:37:41 AM EST
individuals I have known have been from middle class or wealthier.  In their homes, instead of morals, money, image, success at all costs came first.

Vacant Buildings (none / 0) (#21)
by A Muse on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 07:12:10 PM EST
Hell with that, I went to Wal-Mart to get some rub on tanning solution and they were cleaned out.  One of the "Associates" told me he thought he saw the Mayor buy it all up.  I told him that was a joke but he insisted.  Why worry about vacant buildings?  The 1000 will probably double to 2000 within 3 years.  Then What?  I worked for a Federal Program that entered buildings including vacant and abandoned ones.  No warrant - no problem.  Should the City want to enter those buildings to check for gang hangouts and drug dens there is not a problem.  I am making a formal complaint that I believe that there is a fire hazard in all those buildings.  Email me the list - I will file the complaint.  It will give the AFD something to do.  


Al, to respond to your comments... (none / 0) (#22)
by Jim Travers on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 11:46:24 PM EST
I'll try to address them point by point.

Tom King, the Big Shot president of the NYS Rifle and Pistol Association, started his 'Gun Talk' blog on the TU (most probably helped by his buddy, Fred LeBrun) last August to counter gun control advocate Robin Ringler's opinion on her TU blog, 'Under Fire'. Mr. King is also a member of the NRA's board of directors, or was before May's annual meeting and election of officers. It seems they keep secret the names of their 75 or so board members. (You try to find them listed anywhere)

(I hear he enjoyed the time he spent in the stall  adjacent to the one occupied by another NRA board member, the guy famous for his wide stance, Sen. Larry Craig.

http://www.tomkingfornraboard.com/

Tom, it's believed, was named after another famous Tom King:  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_King_%28highwayman%29 )

After receiving too many death threats, Ms. Ringler quit her blog. Seems Big Shot Tommy 'Gun' King and his buddies effectively shut her up.

The NRA is pretty good at doing that to good folks looking to make our society a bit safer by promoting sensible legislation, like banning the sale of semi-automatic assault weapons.
See: http://www.nrablacklist.com/ and NRA's
19-page blacklist

Why the TU sponsored King's blog in the first place is still a mystery to me as NYSRPA has their own website to spead their opinions from and Ms. Ringler is an individual citizen, a nurse who tended to President Reagan after he was shot by Hinkley, does not.

Now let me say that I am a supporter of all of the ammendments contained in the Bill of Rights, not just the second one, with which Mr. King has some sort of fetish about.

While he and his ilk are fixated on only the 2nd Amendment they choose to ignore the real threat to our civil liberties, the erosion of our 1st, 4th, and 6th Amendments. That really annoys me.

Understanding Maslow's theory of the human Heirarch of Needs will help one to understand why these kids exhibit the behaviors they engage in.

As far as reasons why the kids are acting they way they are, there are always reasons for the actions people engage in. You might not understand them though.

For example, I don't understand why you post here, but I suspect the answer may be found in Maslow's accepted theory. Perhaps you never received the acceptance or approval and positive reinforcement from your father you needed and now express that unmet need by seeking acceptance from others, safe from retribution in your anonymity.

And Al, just because I better understand these kids behavior than some do, does not mean I excuse their actions. Neither does society.

When caught like young Mr. Timmons was, they will not escape society's punishment. Mr. Timmons, a fifteen year old, will most likely spend the rest of his life incarcerated for a momentary act of his that unwittingly took an innocent's life.

So Al, it's fair if you are unfamiliar with Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs and equate 'understanding' with 'excusing', but if  you believe Maslow's theory "to be self serving and ultimately full of false assumptions" you are very wrong.

On May 31, Under DIA's post entitled "Tragic News" I made the following comment to Flewy
"If anyone is to be blamed for the conditions that now exist in all our nations inner-city ghettos, that blame must fall on us and our forebearers, for it is we who have created and propagated them, and still do by continuing our practice of economic and racial segregation."

Perhaps you would like to discredit or refute the truthfulness of my statement?

Where you are absolutely correct is in saying this: "In the past 50 years our society has gone to hell. Our values are corrupt..." It is indeed time for a paradigm shift. Long past time, really.

Al, you called a gun a tool and I agreed with you. The only people for whom a gun could be considered a tool are police officers and their like, soldiers, professional target shooters and gun wielding thugs & thieves. Of course there are, I am sure, a few irresponsible gun owners who've attempted to use the butt of their pistol to hammer a nail or two. But it really isn't a tool, it is a weapon. A weapon created solely for killing. Target shooting is an adaptation in which a lethal weapon is used in a non-lethal way.

I knew you would argue that point with me as well as interject some story about a fatal automobile accident. I asked you whether you had ever heard of a weapon, a knife killing someone two blocks away and you want to equate motor vehicles with weapons. Do you even know the definition of a weapon? You never did answer my question, but tried to divert everyone's attention away from that fact by posting the lengthly article about
a few fatal automobile accidents. Answer the question, Al.

A Muse, I too was proficient with a rifle as a child, a Pro-Marksman on my high school's rifle team.

My son and his friends practiced what they called PLUR, Peace, Love, Understanding and Respect. After the tragic event in which six were killed and two gravely injured, they added another R to PLUR, for Responsibility.

That's what these wayward kids need to begin practicing.

Good Morning Jim: (none / 0) (#23)
by alfrednewman on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:53:19 AM EST
I always enjoy your responses and I learn as I try to understand your value set and figure out how such a reasonable guy, such as yourself, can get caught up in a philosophy which is ultimately short sighted and destructive through its goals or its effects.

For me the lethal range of a weapon (one definition: A weapon is a tool employed to injure, defeat, or destroy an adversary) doesn't matter.  What matters is a weapon was used.  And arguing over what to do with a certain type of weapon that was used to kill a child is an easy diversion for those who do not want to face the consequences for the failed political and social policies which they promote.  Is that a clear enough answer for you?

What lead Timmons to pick up a gun and pull the trigger?  Obviously, the complete lack of any values which a child should have been taught and learned in a civilized society. What causes someone to walk into a house and murder people he didn't even know?  I would expect that a value set which included the notion that there is always an excuse for reprehensible behavior and the often repeated notion that life has no meaning or value.

As for your exploration into my personality and its obvious defects: If I was seeking acceptance and approval do you really think I would do it here?  Do you really think I would be doing what I do?  You have my motivations wrong.  You can start with "The Puritan's Dilemma" by Edmund Morgan, especially the first chapters, as would give you a better insight.  

I realize that you, like most of your ilk, despise reading about Dead White Guys and find comfort in reading fuzzy headed gibberish but you should really start looking back at what made our country great instead of promoting the ideals what are wrecking it.

My father, by the way taught me that while there may be reasons, there are certainly no excuses.My father also taught me that respect is earned.  

What did your father teach you?

 
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

The Devil wears Prada (none / 0) (#25)
by alfrednewman on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:27:48 AM EST
Sounds almost like a religious comment Muse.  Careful. In our society the Constitution no longer means "Freedom OF Religion
- its now "Freedom FROM Religion.  

Many here will take you to task for making what can be a religious comment because you cannot have a devil unless you have a God and we cant talk about that.  Unless you are one of those who believe the devil IS God and then it is OK.  
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

Good Dig Al (none / 0) (#26)
by A Muse on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:40:43 AM EST
The question remains? Does the Devil Wear Prada or is it just a nock off.  You struck a chord with religion.  I do not believe in the separation of church and state.  They were intertwined as we foreigners came and raped the country buying some land but stealing most.  The government's roll regarding religion is to protect religious freedom for those who chose to practice.  

If there is to be no connection get rid of Halloween, and take in god we trust off the bills.  I would frankly have it read, In God We Trust, All Others Pay Cash.  Was I teaching and I am not, my first day would be my last.  As an instructor, or teacher, the only rules I had was for safety of self and others and courtesy for others.  That worked extremely well with children from 8 to 18 both boys and girls and it was the group that succeeded or failed - not just one individual.  No failures.  Additionally, I think it is important to have respect for others Religious beliefs and culture, so I would cover the basic tenants of each of the various religions and cultures as part of the curriculum, which included prayers if called for.  Atheists would be included. Each child would be required to bring in or draw a flag from his ancestor's countries and instruct the class how they got to this country.  Yep Fired I would be.  The teaching methods were quite effective and another national organization has now changed their methods following mine after criticizing them for a few years.  

Regarding the devil, it is a discussion of the philosophy of religion and that would be even more boring for most people than what I wrote.  I would guess there is a little devil in us all.
And what's up with the devil food cake?  Branching out?


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